The conversation with New Psychologist went something like this:
NP: Are you shy, Pan?
NP: thank you for your letter last week. It was very good. It was interesting about the milk and cats. (Pan laughs). Did you do any writing this week?
NP: Do you write letters to other people?
Pan: Sometimes to T
NP: OK. Do you miss T? Pan nods
NP: Aww. You're fond of her:? You've got to know her?
Pan: Yes... is she gonna come back?
NP: Yes. Yes... Did T help you?
Pan: Nods. She's nice.
NP: She's a nice lady. And what about Adam?
Pan: He's my friend.
NP: Is he your best friend? (Pan nods). That's good. It's nice to have a best friend. Do you ever make anything for Adam? (Pan nods) What things?
Pan: Like... pictures
NP: Is he pleased when he sees them?
Pan: Yeah... but he doesn't... he doesn't think I'm a boy.
NP: Doesn't he? What does he think you are?
Pan: He thinks I'm a girl.
NP: Oh... can you think of a way of letting him know that you're a boy?
Pan: I tell him but he says I don't have a willy.
NP: So he doesn't see it the way you see it. Can you disagree and still be friends?
Pan: Yeah... I get cross... He says 'it's ok'.
NP: So Adam doesn't mind if sometimes you're cross?
Pan: No. I shout at him.
NP: He doesn't get upset? He understands (Pan nods). What type of things upset you?
Pan: Emm... I don't like people bossing me around!
NP: You don't like being told what to do? Does Adam try that?
Pan: Sometimes he tells me "You can't have sweets! You won't eat your dinner!" and I say: "I can do what I want to do!"
NP: Do you know why he might say that? (Pan shakes head) Did you know sweets are bad for your teeth? And maybe Adam worries about your teeth?
Pan: I only eat them sometimes!
NP: Mm. Sometimes is OK but Adam doesn't like it before dinner? Does he let you have some after dinner?
Pan: Yep. He can't tell me what to do!
NP: Do you listen to any grown ups? Some grown ups are angry and bossy and that's not nice but some can keep you safe.
Pan: Shakes head. I can look after myself
NP: Do you know Candy? (Pan nods) Do you listen to Candy? (shrugs) So Candy's not bossy?
NP: So is Candy your friend? How old is Candy?
Pan: She's a lady. She's 28.
NP: OK. And she's not too bossy? She's a nice lady to have around and know about? And does she ever tell you to take care or be careful? (Pan nods). And you can see that she's being nice?
Pan: Sometimes she says "You can't come out now because it's not your time and you have to wait" and I have to wait then.
NP asked about this a bit. If Pan gets upset about waiting etc.
Pan: I like to just do what I wanna do.
NP: Yeah. And what do you like to do?
Pan: Emmmm.... I like... emmm.... playing?
NP: Yes. Can you tell me with what?
Pan: I like drawing pictures. I like my teddies. I got two (holds two fingers up). One is Winnie and one is Cherry and they sleep with me all the time and Winnie went to New Zealand with me and when we went, Winnie drove the caravan (laughs)
Pan: And when we went to Australia, he got kidnapped.
NP: Oh. and did you get him back?
Pan: Yeah. He was in a bag and he couldn't breathe.
NP: Aww. Oh dear. He's a very well travelled bear isn't he?
Pan: Yep. He has to go everywhere.
NP: OK. So he gets to see a lot of things.
Pan: Yeah. And I put goggles on him and a hair band and he looked funny (giggles) and he wears a T shirt cos he needs to have a bath...
NP: So you pretend sometimes that he's doing human things?
Pan: He's like my friend...
Pan: I've only got one shoe on (points at foot).
NP: I know.
Pan: I don't like having shoes on. (takes other one off)
NP: Yes they can get sweaty and tight can't they? So you like to draw and write...
Pan: Ice cream! And I like cinema. I didn't get to do that before... a long time ago. And I like... Picnics! I like go out to where the sea is.
NP: Very nice. it's lovely to like the fresh air. And do you choose somewhere nice?
Pan: (Nods) I like Bangor.
NP: Very nice. That's by the sea? That's lovely
Pan: (nods) And one time we went to the one... Crawfordsburn? and we took my teddy and we had a picnic and it was really cold and I had a big blanket on and a hat and a coat and umbrella (giggles).
NP: Mmm! So I've heard this about you Pan. I've heard sometimes you put clothes on and Candy doesn't like them. Is that right?
Pan: She wears like... girly things!
NP: You don't like what she wears either? (Pan shakes head) But you wear things that are warm and keep you covered and that's all you're bothered by?
Pan: Comfortable. I like my clothes today (looks down at track bottoms and hoody)
NP: Mmm. So you like to feel relaxed? That's a good feeling, yeah?
Pan: Yep. I like pyjamas... even though most of them are Little C's but I don't mind that.
NP: OK and does Little C mind you wearing them? (Pan shakes head) And is little C your friend?
Pan: Yeah (smiles) She's cute
NP: And I've heard that you look after her and you're good to her as well (Pan nods). That's a nice thing. Do you worry about her a little bit?
Pan: (sounding sad) Mmm. Sometimes she gets.. em... scared and things.
NP: Aww. And can you help her?
Pan: I don't know
NP: What do you try?
Pan: I get frustrated
NP: Would you ever tell her a story or sing her a song
Pan: Erm... one time I drew her a picture with lots of hearts cos she likes hearts and blue and pink... she likes pink. But Candy helped.
NP: That's OK. That's nice. And did Little C like it? Did it help?
Pan: Yeah... and Candy wrote on the back that she didn't have to be scared and nice things.
NP: So did you make that because she was scared?
Pan: Yeah. She doesn't like monsters.
NP: Mmm. Monsters can be scary... or do you not find them scary.
Pan (shrugs): maybe
NP: Have you seen any monsters in the cinema (Pan nods). Do you know they're not real?
Pan: I just cover my eyes. I try and go and see only... I don't go if it's a... big film.
NP: Mmm. So if it's scary just, 'yuck, no... they're for older boys'. (Pan nods)
NP: So did you see Candy's mum when she stayed in the house? (Pan nods) Was that OK for her to stay in the house?
Pan: (shrugs) I don't know!
NP: Was it nice to have her stay?
Pan: She's... she's nice sometimes....
Pan: She doesn't know about me.
NP: So you have to stay hidden sometimes... but sometimes you were around when Candy was in bed and Candy's mum was in bed as well. I just wondered if you knew she was there?
Pan: (nods and mumbles about someone putting things against the door: part had tried to block my bedroom door when my mum stayed recently and Adam was away. This is what NP is asking about)
NP: So sometimes she OK, sometimes she's alright? And the other times?
Pan: She's like two.... two people... two! (holds up two fingers)
NP: She's different?
Pan: Two! Yeah
NP: Mmm. That's confusing. Isn't it?
Pan: You have to figure it out and then you know... she's like that one...
NP: Mmm and can you work it out?
Pan: Candy does it
NP: And does she tell you?
Pan: I just listen to Candy when she's in charge and I can hear... she says "Ugh she's like two different people!"
NP: OK. That's very tricky. Very tricky Pan... for you.
Pan: (shrugs) Well I don't have a mum so...
NP: You don't see Candy's mum much? Do you think it's good not to have a mum? (Pan nods) Why is it good?
Pan: No bossies!
NP: No bossies... I could see why you wouldn't want to have a dad because of the bossing... but you don't want a mum either? (Pan shakes head) Would you like one that was two people? (Pan shakes head) No. That would give you a headache, wouldn't it? (Pan laughs) Mmm. That would make your head sore (Pan laughs more).
NP: OK Pan I'm going to ask you to go inside and get Candy and ask her to come back out again
Pan: Will I be able to come back again?
NP: You can come back again of course. I'd be happy for that. We'll both make sure that happens. I promise.
Pan: Do you not like me?
NP: I do like you. I do. I've only just met you but I like you. I think you're a clever child and interesting... and funny. A little bit fun and a little bit funny.
NP: Yes. And interested in interesting things... but I realise some of that's only new. It's a shame you didn't know about it earlier.
Pan: About what?
NP: About the cinema.
NP: It's good to have things you can do to switch off and it seems like you chose things which are good for children as well and that's a good thing.
Pan: Candy lets me.
NP: That's a good idea.
Pan: And... well... (pauses)... maybe I'll tell you next time
NP: OK. Will you remember? OK. Well you can see how you feel next time and maybe you can tell me then.
Pan: OK. And... (giggles) she's probably gonna be embarrassed (points at feet and my psychedelic socks) cos I got funny socks.
NP: That's alright. It's only a small thing. Even if Candy had come in here today and taken her shoes I wouldn't have been surprised because it's sweaty and warm and this room is too hot. So I'll see you again Pan but now will you go and get Candy and I'll see you again.
Pan: I'm still here (giggles)
NP: Are you?! (Laughs) Can you get Candy back?
Pan: I'm trying!
NP: You're trying. If you can tell Candy that once she comes back I'll get us both a glass of water...
Then I came back to the front and Pan went back and that was that. It must be visibly obvious when I switch because NP knew as soon as Pan came out and as soon as I came back. I wonder what she sees? Anyway, I don't know how interesting all of the above has been to you but there we have it. It was a great relief for me to see other parts talking rather than the old way of feeling them trying to speak but me being too scared to let them out.
Bye for now!